Gabriel Chek, @archlogbook

Gabriel Chek is the creator behind popular Instagram blog @archlogbook and the new @archloggers course. 

At the time of our conversation, I was in between renovating my house! We still had a great chat about his passion for helping architects gain clarity and confidence in their careers and life, setting up new courses as well as working on confidential military projects in practice.

MI5, I was only asking about the projects Gabriel works on for the audience, don’t add me to the suspect list… 

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Stephen Drew 0:06
Hello, everyone, I am Stephen Drew from the architecture social. And I’m back, I’m back from moving my house, my furniture, and we’re going to continue with the podcast. But I’m joined here today by our awesome guests that I’ve known for a few. For over the last year, we’ve had an interesting journey. And I’ve admired his work on Instagram in particular, and excited for the next part of his journey. Gabriel check how are you my friends? You okay?

Gabriel Chek 0:37
Is everybody are you? I’m good.

Stephen Drew 0:39
You know, they’ve been living the dream you can see right here. So this is will be audio only. But imagine if you hear and listeners you were behind in my new room, it’s all getting the Gabriel’s got some exciting stuff to talk about his career as well. But for anyone, first of all, that’s never heard of, or seen the stuff that you’ve done online. I think it’s important to talk about your roots where you come from in architecture. So Gabriel, the tiniest little bit about your your journey so far. And what brought you up to set up archivelog as

Gabriel Chek 1:13
Yeah, just a little bit of my myself. I am a Singaporean based architecture designer. So I’ve been working about almost two years already. And yeah, I graduated from the Singapore University of Technology design is a specialised in architecture and sustainable design. So ever since then, I’ve actually worked in a company working in a local firm, which deals with military buildings. Yeah, and the funny thing is that I do really enjoy what I’m doing right now, in my day job, and always wondered, how can I share this knowledge gain, right, I’ve learned so much regarding like the practice of architecture, like even the technical details, all this stuff, I never get to learn in school, per se. But in to run my job, I’ve learned so much. And I really want to share this with the community. So I was wondering, the play of the social media. And that’s how I started a lot book is a very first venture. Actually, before there had a lot of blogs and blogs, design blogs, solid tech ventures, but it’s many ventures that got me started with like blogging and HTML design, stuff like that. So it progressed into a curiosity of sorts, I always chased that sense of newness in my journey in life, especially. And yeah, to try something new all the time. And that’s how I look at it again, it became like a experiment, or a project of mine that I do on the site, after work in the weekends, just to use my time I use figma. The most they currently have done one of the best ways to use vector images for architectural drawings, and posted on Instagram, in a bite size format. So wanted to share these technical details at a start just for the fun of you. There’s no expectations there. whatsoever.

Stephen Drew 3:07
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I cry, I cry. Like, I thought I thought it was very tasteful. I do think you’re like the king, the king of graphic design on Instagram. And I really do like the way that you manage to summarise, you know, tricky architectural problems in a bite size of our way of digesting that information. So for anyone that hasn’t checked out the arc log book, you can find what we’re talking about here right on Instagram. And but let’s before we go ahead with that, I find it interesting you talked about you’re in industry now. You’re you’re you’re you’re a madman, I guess like me, well, we do this outside of the time we work, which is like extremely demanding. So you do we’re currently at the moment you still do a military buildings, and you say,

Gabriel Chek 3:59
yeah, I’m doing it.

Stephen Drew 4:01
Wow. That’s super cool. That’s like James Bond or something, isn’t it? So you probably can’t talk much about those right? Because they got non disclosure agreements.

Gabriel Chek 4:12
Yeah, you’re gonna kill me if I do.

Stephen Drew 4:14
Yeah, exactly. Someone’s gonna like there’s gonna be like a red mark, which appears on my head and then I’ll be some labour as well as you butcher this, this very interesting type of work, isn’t it? So let’s not talk about the specifics there. But I imagine a lot of it these are these public buildings, they’re going to be worn down and used and what I mean battered and you know, so a lot, I suppose. It’s a great it’s a great sector for you to to work on, because you learn a lot. And I mentioned it’s quite technical as well. I mean, can you give me a flavour of the the roles and responsibilities you worked on in industry on these like military roles, we don’t have to say where they are or anything, but Imagine, oh, my phone’s going off again. My phone’s gone. See, this is the problem. Here we go one second, we turn it off. Do you recognise its mission impossible ringing me out? Because I’m talking about the military basis. There we go. There we go. Turn it off. We’ll keep it we’ll keep, we keep all this in a row. So the government is not calling me anymore. But I guess what I’m trying to say is, these projects must have been demanding. And so were they like, the passion for that? Does that where aren’t goggles came from? or doing all the complicated technical problems on new projects? And you wanted to kind of explore that idea on Instagram?

Gabriel Chek 5:43
Not exactly. So I think, what I can just give a little brief of what I do it without spoiling the location on what anything? Yeah. I think it’s, it’s a part of architecture that we don’t really get to learn about in school, because in school, we learn about like social buildings, like something more even housing, we don’t get to learn, like industrial buildings, like factories, and stuff like that. So a lot of storage requirements. legal requirements include, like, for example, storage of like flammable materials, what how you do it, and even special substances as well as accounting. So they are different, the different different brands of architecture. And it is equally important, I think, as compared to even for better housing, there’s a lot of requirements to be followed. So it’s kind of like a same idea of following the constraints. As a designer and architect, right, we have to learn how to navigate through these constraints, to be creative, innovative ideas, also have that the artistic flair as well, in a factory. So suddenly, you don’t see factories as beautiful buildings. But I think once you understand and understand the layout of the building, and how it complements the routines of the people very well, I think that is architecture itself.

Stephen Drew 7:00
Yeah, I think I like what you’re saying. I mean, in terms of architectural recruitment. In my day job, I woke up one or two great companies who do stuff like data centres. And so it’s a similar thing to military where some of them can be super cool, super beautiful. But no one typically thinks of like, wow, I am going to design a data centre, or I’m going to graduate and do military complexes, but they’re really, really important. So that’s quite cool. And so so we’ll leave that aside so that I don’t get another call from EMI, six, ringing up. But so that’s your day job. And so in the evening, you use up our clock book, so can you so if we go back, if you think like back to the start, there’s always that moment where you think I’m gonna experiment and set something up. So you want to let me know about what that timeframe was and why you wanted to do the art. You touched upon it briefly. But what made you go, I’m gonna set up this Instagram, and post all the ideas I have.

Gabriel Chek 8:09
Yeah, sure. So in I think it was June, about two years ago, in June, wow, I started this, this thing I was out of. So basically, my day job has gotten me to be like, balls deep into this, this industry that I didn’t know about, you know, and the things that he actually, the funny thing is that some of these buildings are very special to the fact that it can comply with certain requirements. And we have to seek waivers for it so that all these things test my ability in interpreting in the building code, for example. So I always rely on someone to guide me along that that first year of my day job journey. Yeah, so that’s a commit thinking, like, What? How can I actually help other people, you know, not to be too stressful as I was? Yeah, a lot of things that we all get into surgery, the first three months of the job is the most important. And there’s so much to learn, right? And it gets overwhelming. So in that sense, part of it was me too, to wanting to share something, to experiment in graphic design, and just have a bit of free sometimes as well. So I do spend some time to just do things that like to do. I think it was just a little inkling of thought I didn’t really had a big vision in mind to like, grow, grow 20k followers. No, it wasn’t that sense. And yeah, I think throughout the journey, has a lot to learn in bringing forth to the next venture.

Yeah,

I think

Stephen Drew 9:44
the theme of the stuff here too, is that I think it’s bit you clearly the archlord book is very helpful to a lot of people. And I think that synergy goes through everything that you’ve done. And so one of the reasons that we actually met at the time It’s because what I admire and I can see why you and Santa get along really well is because I always look at what you do and particularly Asana and you’re creating content, you’re doing stuff. And so sauna runs scale. And you use at the globe book and you work together on the Malecon, which has just finished, which is great. And we’ll touch upon that in a bit. But the reason me and you met bizarrely was because of the time you run in my in their work when I was setting up the architecture. So So, and that was one aspect of your community. And what I find interesting is, we will talk as well about the course that you’re doing at the moment, but it’s a really what I like is as anonymous is with yourself, I love the experimentation, you know when and I love the fact that you are really open about change, as well. So do you want to let me know about at the time why you set up a community? And now you actually turned that off? And now you’re building a different community? Do you want to let me know about your journey? Because it’s great.

Gabriel Chek 11:09
Yes, I do I do a I try to think of. So basically, I do break down the seasons of posting for our book. So if you really super fan of our book, you will notice that there are four seasons of posting. And yeah, and the first season was very rudimentary, very simple diagrams, a bit, I would say a bit ugly, at a start looking back. But at that point in time, when he made his point is the I always look out I’m trying to experiment, like when you say like, picking things a little bit, playing the phones playing, the way I write captions. All these things are what made me who I am today, basically being not afraid to change and try something new. Yeah, to be to be courageous in terms of not wanting to worry about what people think, basically. And I think my sole vision was to actually enjoy myself to process. That’s the number one priority. Yeah. And that also was the remain reason why I stopped the hiatus for a lot more because I felt analysis under the content view for a little bit in a deliberate again, that that was a pleasure. And in a way to, to a very simple form is pleasure to me as well to be able to share something. But I think towards like, at the end of last year 2020 is a bit I was a bit contemplating between how can I move forward with a lot more? Or should I pursue something a bit different. But to tap on my I’ve learned a lot.

Stephen Drew 12:46
Yeah, I think it’s interesting, isn’t it. And we, this is probably the first time we’ve spoken for a while but way online, I’ve always seen you doing bits and bobs. And I was quite impressed with the hiatus because it takes a lot of guts to talk about it openly. And one of the things that I’ve learned and I think, hopefully, students as well learn is that it’s really hard to like engage and teach people. If, for instance, unfortunately, there’s always a monetary budgetary aspect into it. But there’s also the bigger thing I think, is commitment. And why I think is that you can’t really, there’s only so much you can do with an Instagram. It’s amazing what you’ve done. But your mission is to kind of help people and to build upon that relationship. And and I think that there’s only so much you can do isn’t there without a commitment and accountability from from both parties. And to actually hit that and be upfront and, and talk about it online, I thought was great. And so what’s interesting about what you’re doing at the moment, it seems that now you’ve come up with your course and you’re actually there’s more commitment from both parties, because you’re saying like, Hey, I will actually help you and do what I can. But it’s very different. You’ve got to sign up to this element you this commitment from both parties, and it’s very different than your Instagram. So do you want to let everyone know your current exciting adventure at the moment, then should we talk about you why you changed? I think this is important that wave, you put a little bit of a stop on the Instagram. And what’s interesting about what you’re doing now, that would be great if we can talk about that. And then

Gabriel Chek 14:36
definitely so in terms of the shift, I think I also mentioned in the goodbye post of Yes, it’s very detailed over there. But in summary is just about the shift from the technical documentation aspect of our book, to the clarity and confidence of young architects. Actually, there’s some sort of link as well because being confident and equally is so one of the things But I will cover in the causes as well. And when I break it down, like clarity and confidence, I actually started this whole conversation and metcon. And we’re talking about little anyways, the, the whole idea about essentially chaotic and broken down into three different aspects. One is personal clarity. That’s career clarity. And what’s the last one, or life clarity? Yeah, and then the

Stephen Drew 15:26
clarity, maybe I just signed up as far as I can get confused. And

Gabriel Chek 15:30
that times calm Yeah. and confidence in terms of like, emotional confidence, social confidence and technical competence. So the cool thing about these two things, clarity, confidence, it’s actually dynamic, and we can strive towards it is not static. And, and that’s what I’ve discovered through my whole journey, even, like being clear in, in what I want to do with my own career, and my own life, and also be confident about it. And I want to share, it’s kind of a mixed measure of like, my own personal life, my own life, and what I’m doing all meshed into one little guide to young architects, who really benefit from such a guidance, I feel. And I think the whole mission of me, shifting from technical documentation to this whole new frontier of online causes memberships workshops, and even conversations with others, getting on camera more, it’s also part of my journey as well to to be more exposed and to be more vulnerable to community. So I, I do see, multiple benefits may not be apparent now to me, but in the long run, I will definitely thank my past self to say yes, I want to try something new and push forward. The whole idea of impact drives me to push on and to try new things.

Stephen Drew 16:58
Yeah, I think, look, it’s really great. And what’s interesting about this, and now kind of resonate as well. So I am seeing the cost per se, but when I think of confidence and clarity, I think it’s really smart. And it what I think’s interesting is that there are kind of two aspects aren’t there to anyone’s career as you as you mentioned, there’s the technical aspects, but then there’s the the fact that we’re all people and yeah, as designers, you have to like learn experiment. And and, yeah, confidence is such a big, big theme. And clarity is very interesting concept. Even so, in terms of looking for jobs, or where are you going with your career, finding clarity is, is exceptionally difficult. And they think that lots and lots of real life challenges can. They can they can, it can make you feel unclear where you go in, and this. And so I mean, I remember when I was a part one and part two. When I was a part one in the UK, it was the global recession. And at the time, I’d felt very unconfident about finding the job, I wasn’t very clear about what to do. And that was that aspect of what you’re talking about, would have been really, really helpful. It wasn’t so much at the time about my technical understanding, it was just about where am I going? And so I can see why it would be useful to a lot of a lot of students. So does this mean now then? So is the our club book permanently on hiatus? So what are we? What are we going to see at the moment is we’re going to see to the right now you’re setting up the, the the court was, and so I’ll probably put out this podcast in a week’s time. But what I mean is, so is it right now,

Gabriel Chek 18:58
you’re building

Stephen Drew 18:59
up your first studio, or your first cohort? That’s the word isn’t that is your first wave of students is that the next part of the goal?

Gabriel Chek 19:11
I’m gonna be honest with you. So initially, I thought people will pay for it. But I think currently is not the case. So what I did was to limit the free memberships to 25 people. So I think I managed to get that over people right now, granted, my objective is to actually start like, much shorter, so so also giving them access to free mug shots, but also opening up to people later on. So those who are not in the membership now can actually join these workshops live and for me to share all the concepts that I do share in the membership portal as well. But I’m also preparing a lot of on the cost bottle. There’s a lot of articles, my articles and very short and simple analogies to getting started about thinking about clarity and confidence and a few that it’s not really often said In the context of architecture designers and students, sort of bring the perspective that not many people may have. I think it’s been interesting to see how these things will go. Because every month I’ll focus on a certain aspect of character confidence. So people can do sign up for the workshops, even if the numbers about community. So why is open? So I think, at the start, it will be a very affordable project. So it’s more of exposure for me. So to be comfortable in conducting such workshops, yeah. And also to get the trust of the community and to proceed a known good boy talking. He knows what he’s talking about.

Stephen Drew 20:40
Yeah, I think that’s really cool. So I mean, newsflash for anyone, you want to kind of get in, now get in one of the goods was good. So I’ll put my bow on that. So now’s the time, the prices go up later. That’s pretty cool. Look, I want I will resonate on with this is that I get a lot of people even talking to me about mentoring. And it’s something I definitely considered, the tricky bit for me is that I work full time in my job during the day. And I get a lot of messages. And it’s really hard to kind of give people enough time and attention. And that’s why, for instance, I at the moment, every Tuesday, I’m kind of doing a workshop online. But that’s one of the ways that I’m able to, hopefully, provide a bit of content that is useful to most people. But you know, the truth is, for anyone listening, actually one on one, which I would love to do is extremely time consuming. And I think that here is a nice balance on what you’re talking about with a course where it’s a it’s a number of people which go through a series of stages, you build up all this content, and they learn. And I think that’s kind of like a happy focus. But the bit though, I’m learning as well with with yourself is that, really, and I think everyone has to bear this in mind this, that if you’re looking for someone to be fully accountable for your career, then you there needs to be some financial responsibility in there as in it, I think that you can look at all these courses online. And that’s amazing. And the thing is, I say, we’re me, it’s that great. Now, I mean, I’m working through is different. But say now, if anything changed in the future, or God knows what else, the thing is, is if you want someone really accountable for your career, it’s like some other personal gym, right? If you if you want me to, I mean, I’m sure you feel the same. If you need someone to kind of mentor someone on, then they have to be fully invested in a personal trainer is a bit like that. And that’s the bit that you get when you get someone on board like yourself or a mentor, like Jason Boyle, I, oh, who, who else, there’s a few people that, you know, can champion for your career. And what I like about this is that you’re saying like, Hey, I will help you with your career we’ll talk about we will talk about confidence and clarity or go for that stages, and they will nurture you in your career. But that’s something that you can’t really do on Instagram fully, like as you don’t before, so I totally get an applaud why it’s evolved, you know, and I think that’s really important. And I think that’s what I would love for anyone to listen here to think about is like, think about in terms of your career, it’s like your career should be like the most important thing. And if someone can add value to your career and can push you on in the future, then that’s probably probably worth looking into. And the fact that you’ve given away some of your spaces on your course for free while you’re tweaking the formula. I think that’s a fair trade because the person that they are actually getting probably anyways, but then actually what you’re doing is that you’re saying like hey, you helped me develop this a little bit and you get the fantastic course. So anyone listening? Do you think though when spots will be gone next week, Gabriel or will it be one or two left?

Gabriel Chek 24:17
I pretty close to actually

Stephen Drew 24:24
too late, but next well the lucky ones already there who are ready, how they will will have had a great ride. I think that’s amazing. So what’s your plans for the course how long does the course last for and when will be the next wave of the course.

Gabriel Chek 24:39
The so the the idea is then there is a membership programme that is one year. Next year open again, but the ideas that have been marfy bookshop that anybody can join. So if you missed out the membership programme, you can just join in a bookshop. And it’s not that particular you can actually watch the bookshop or even join the active parliament and The idea is that you won’t be left out in a way, I think the whole, the whole strategy in content for me is going to change. I think previously, it was like doing the Instagram first. And also learn from Gary Vaynerchuk, for example, the video content is very important, and you can actually break it down to sub content. So the bookshop, I think, a key asset for me to conduct the workshops, and also to break down the content and to share it after the event, like through Instagram, or be a frequent guest, again, a trust. And also maybe through the content portal on the membership programme. A summary of what I’ve talked about. Adding yourself makes it easier for me as well to do not to worry too much about content creation is spoken life and you know, is is on video, for example, and also in text. So I think there’ll be a very interesting, new perspective of the content creation for me.

Stephen Drew 25:56
Brilliant, I think, okay, that’s really cool. So we’ve got all that now, and I love the fact that you there, because you mentioned in the Mad con. So for anyone that doesn’t know about the Mad collective, you’re kind of like one of them, soup bands array of like instagramers, who never see you’ve got like, borrow from you too. And you know, the Rolling Stones from the air and you’ve kind of set up as like the super ensemble and and so the Mad con was either was basically I was on the arctic social as well, it was super fun to have it there. And super fun to have you in our zoom groups and all that stuff. But for anyone that missed that madcon. In particular, let’s say you did one or two classes in there. And so that was interesting, because it sounds like that was a little bit like a demo, or like you testing what would work or wouldn’t for yourself. So I mean, what was your your courses there? And then what did you think worked? And what is incorporated? In your next in the current course?

Gabriel Chek 27:07
Yeah, so actually, it’s interesting, because I did two types of classes. So one was the most under the LSS of elabo. The other one was under the alias of loggers.

Unknown Speaker 27:19
Okay,

Gabriel Chek 27:19
so the interesting thing is, I really enjoy both kinds of causes or classes. One was a bit technical, but he was, it was a collaboration between him for for content creators of a studio session. So actually, he ran a studio, which is quite intense. I did enjoy it, but still very tiring. And a lot of things to think about, especially during studio sessions. People need to be involved, like I was talking about earlier, they had to be invested with the whole programme. And we did encounter a lot of technical issues and things like people dropping out, of course, cause you know that these things, they have to take that with me. And with regard to the loggers site, he did a demo that was a demo workshop for free. And basically, to showcase what I’m going to do in a way, a whole framework, that the teaser framework, and also to close the whole membership programme, so there wasn’t an metcon itself. And I think the response I got was quite positive, even though it was a very, nobody knew who I was, it does have the article side of things. And I actually enjoyed it, because I don’t feel the pressure in a way. Yeah, I don’t feel that pressure to to worry about what people will think about it. And I did get some positive responses. So that really got me thinking about how can I continue this format of workshops? And to put it out there to get more traction and traffic?

Stephen Drew 28:53
Yeah, I think I think it’s, I think it’s great and the so and then there was fun to have that on the Mad calm, it’s always good to learn. And I think that’s the important thing is that you’re not saying you’re Superman, I’m the same I’m constantly learning and they think that we’re Cendrillon interesting about these courses and similar thing with the architecture social it’s three words sometimes I like a really good example. Okay, is that we had on the architecture, social competition, Gabriel and he was a competition where it was a month long and so the others fantastic trap on the active social hub set up and it was you learn rare there, okay. And you you have a project and you have to submit all these drawings and technical details. And then at the end, you win like a book like a 50 pound book. Now what was interesting is I fought for sure I was like, This is the coolest competition ever, because we’re going to learn rather all is that and no one entered. Right? And so I was and so I’m constantly learning myself. What works and what doesn’t. What’s really interesting is that when you’re talking about I would be, it would be interesting that I think like the ethos of what you’re talking about on, like confidence and clarity, will, will stay on the course and all that, of course, it will be there in some shape or form. But what’s really interesting is that these ideas change over time, you know, and, and that’s what’s interesting, like you talked about is that you learn from the course, you know, and then you adjust to that. And it’s interesting, because the bet that your course has, and the architecture social has and everything else is that it all relies on conversation, or it all relies in participation in the conversation. So like, the architects or social is only as good as the members in it, that content that they’re talking about, participate in asking questions. And then the moment he stops, it’s just me posting in there in the room, like, Hello, and it’s like nothing, and nothing happens. So, so I think it’s quite exciting. But keeping that conversation going, is, is is always a challenge. And I’m always surprised so it will be great as well, if we can catch up in maybe who knows a few weeks or a month’s time or we always speak but it would be good to know where your course is that and you can let me know your findings as well. Or I’d love to talk about one at one or two things before we leave it here because I know you’re busy designing military secret agent bases and evil geniuses layer somewhere as well as doing the course but it’s a tricky time for many right now. And there’s light at the end of the tunnel so when the UK will hopefully going back from lockdown and and and I’m sure there’s lots of people in the world whoever’s listening wherever they’re listening while we’re just getting out of the all file iraq Coronavirus. Hopefully it doesn’t come back. Hopefully it keeps going on on the on the down. But there’s there any particular immediate advice you would offer someone that is not feeling confident or doesn’t have any clarity right now? So nothing like the course but like a little bit of your insight? Is this a good time to, you know, pick up things and keep working? Is there any particular advice? You’d have someone just to get going?

Gabriel Chek 32:32
Definitely. So I can share a few little tips and teasers for Oh, yeah. I think myself in Singapore right now, I think we have really been through what you’re going through. been under lockdown for three months. I think we live in a new world. So right now we do enjoy the fruits of all our labour in expense. So yeah, we are living quite healthy lives. I think right now everyone’s on the board in Singapore, which is great. No worries kind of so I think yes, is going to be the end of the tunnel. For sure. I think she’s a foreign how we done it with under lockdown for a few months. And then things got better. You get better. Yeah. Anything contemptuous is very important. So don’t worry about it. And advice, better clarity and confidence, I think. So I always I’ll actually start the clarity process by ourself first. So if we talk about self, so only by knowing our self awareness, only then we can understand our career clarity, and eventually our life clarity. So it starts with personality and what makes us happy. Our habits and routines. How do you feel in the morning when we wake up? Lee aware of all these things is very important, especially when you think about taking certain steps in your career or in your life. So let these feelings and emotions guide you along the way may do certain things. I say for example, doing a work in the home, for example. How do you feel about it? If you hire audiophile, let’s do things to learn. It’s exciting. So having that self awareness is key. And I think one thing to do is to have a mental note about the everyday assessor questions. And at the end of the day, especially before you sleep. So there’s things about the I do something good today, whatever, Chief, how can I improve tomorrow? And then that’s about it. Actually, this, you need to think about these three questions. And life is always changing, always growing. So be comfortable with change, also. So always having a mindset is very important. And I would love to share more of I think this about didn’t bore you guys too much about Yeah, yes. Yeah,

Stephen Drew 34:56
I think it’s interesting. But yeah,

Gabriel Chek 34:58
there’s some analytics thing that I want to bring up in terms of like, next workshop is coming up is titled discovering your architectural flavour. So think about flavour I think about ice cream, right? Ice cream is a lot different flavours. And this how we are all mixed up individually unique and special. So we have to be comfortable with ourselves first. So positive self awareness. Yeah, eventually leading to clarity and then leading to confidence. So this certain chain of events that will happen, if we fully engage in in time to understand ourselves truly.

Stephen Drew 35:37
I think it’s brilliant, I think, look, what you’re doing is great. And I quite liked that the concept of flavour and taste and that building up architectural taste definitely takes a lot of time. So look, I think this is amazing. I’m conscious I’ve got and this is one of the things are working at home isn’t that you get August, August deliveries in the background. That’s one of the nice things going on. But hey, listen, this is super, super cool. I’ve loved some of these concepts here. The point is, though, is that people should check out all the stuff you’ve done. So immediately, somewhere, if someone wants to get a little taste of what you’ve done previously before, hey, as they can check out the arc log book, or arc loggers on Instagram, that’s probably an easy way to start. Because then they can get in contact with you. They can find out your details. But for anyone else that wants to say hello, or wants to ask more questions. You are on the architecture social so someone could drop your message there. They can get in contact quite easily. But where else can we find you Gabriel online at the moment? Yep.

Gabriel Chek 36:41
Instagram, a lot of bloggers are on LinkedIn, you can find a search Gabriel chick, I think you should find me somewhere. If you follow architecture, social or to skill, Asana, the neck collective. I’m there.

Stephen Drew 36:58
wherever you are.

Gabriel Chek 37:00
If you’ve been such telegram so find my name. I think you can search for it.

Oh, really? Yeah.

Stephen Drew 37:06
I see. That’s why you’re on telegram is because your military background. It’s all encrypted. That’s why you’re super, super high up on security. But it’s nice to know that people on your course won’t have they they are everywhere. So really, I think this is amazing. People can track you out. I admire what you’ve done. I always felt that your graphic design in particular, on Instagram, just to you, though, is one of the best I’ve seen. I have always liked your fonts. But obviously, it’s not just about your graphic design. The content is great as well. It’d be really interesting to see how the course develops. And it’s really good to have you the architecture social community. So thank you so much for your time, Gabriel. And we’ll catch up again soon.

Gabriel Chek 37:49
And thank you to you too.

Stephen Drew 37:51
No problem. Take care now. Bye. Bye Bye. Take care.

Bye. Yay. It’s really good.

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